Welcome to the Clontarf U15s (Born 1999)
Update 11 December
Reminder, Fergus McFadden is doing q&a with both squads tomorrow, 6-6.50pm, in the clubhouse, so there will be no pitch session. Whatever you want to know about Leinster/Ireland/Becoming a Pro Player, this is your chance! Those who are going to Saints game on Sat, arrangements are as follows: Meet Bank of Irl Killester at 4.30 for Dart to Lansdowne Road, then back to club afterwards. If your payment is outstanding then please bring it tomorrow night. NB if you had booked and can’t go, let Kevin know asap on 086 812 1478.
Matches on Sunday: A squad home to Ashbourne in Prem Div league quarter-final; Bs away to DLSP in Div 1 quarters. Ko details later.
Update 6 December
Team to play Cill Dara Sun morn (away); meet Cill Dara club 10.45 for 11.30 kick off: Adam Ryan, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Harry O’Byrne, Rioghan McCarthy, Emmet Kenny, Grellan Murray, Eoghan Doody, Mark O’Sullivan, Liam Fanning; Conor Monks, Killian Hickie, Tom Finnegan, Jack Walsh, Darragh Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Ruaidhri O Murchadha, Adam Peat, Joe Murphy, Vakho Badurashvili, Rian Lee.
All others have morning off. Note, Metro training in Malahide on Monday 7pm; also, Leinster and Ireland player Fergus McFadden will do a Q&A session with both squads next Thurs night in the clubhouse, so no pitch session. Exact time to be finallised.
Update 4 December
Training for all Thurs in club 6-7pm. A squad are away to Cill Dara on Sunday, 11.30 kick off which will require early start as it’s a bit of a trek. Bs’ situation is unconfirmed but we’ll know more by Fri latest. Any remaining money for Leinster v Saints match to be paid Thurs pls to Kevin. Commiserations to St Paul’s who exited Cup this week after two very strong performances.
Note: Leinster’s Amlin, Rabo and B&I trophies will be in the club tonight 7pm for those who want to get pics taken etc…
Note also: Next training for Leinster Metro is Mon 9 Dec, 7pm in Malahide. All the lads who attended so far are required for that session. Leinster will screen again in January and trim the squad at that point.
Update 30th November
Killer Bs v Malahide Rfc Kick off 12.00pm in St Paul’s Please meet @ 11.15 in St Pauls
K Morgan J Kidd B O’Brien M Quinn D O’Mahony R O’Murchadha J McGuire H O’Byrne A Hyland B Keane
E Kenny S Byrne Q Murray I Nolan R Lee R Coan B Dufficey A Ryan C Hickey L GRENNAN E Dillon G O’Kelly
Update 29 November
A squad v Seapoint, meet 10.40 for 11.30 kick off in St Paul’s Sunday morning: Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Grellan Murray, Rioghan McCarthy, Mark O’Sullivan, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Conor Monks, Adam Peat, Tom Finnegan, Darragh Bolger, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, James Gannon, Donal Ryan, Joe Murphy, Ruadhan Byron.
Update 28 November
Because of schools rugby clashes only the B squad will train tonight – we will be in touch with all of the As ahead of Sunday’s game with Seapoint where a win is needed to secure a place in knock out phase of the league. So, Bs as usual in club 6pm.
Update 26 November
Well done to St Paul’s crew who won again this week and are through to next round of cup – top effort especially to man of the match James Gannon.
We urgently need confirmation re tickets for Leinster v Saints game on 14 Dec. Usual deal: Meet in Killester and over and back Lansdowne Rd on Dart. Tickets only €5. Text y/n plus son’s name to any of following number: Declan 0868133046. First come first served.
Training on Thursday for all – A squad have vital league tie at home to Seapoint. Bs to be confirmed.
Update 23rd November
A squad train St Paul’s 10.45 in morning. Please note start time
Killer Bs v Rathoath League Match in Rathoath Please meet @ 9.30am in Rathoath RFC
K Morgan J Kidd B O’Brien M Quinn M O’Sullivan D O’Mahony R O’Murchadha J McGuire H O’Byrne A Hyland B Keane
E Kenny S Byrne C Monks Q Murray I Nolan R Lee R Coan B Dufficey A Ryan C Hickey L Grellan H O’Byrne
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Update 21 November
Given illness and low numbers there is no training tonight. Note, B game still on v Ratoath on Sunday; A squad will train. Note also, we’ll be organising a posse for Lansdowne Road for Leinster v Northampton on Sat 14 Dec. Tickets are only €5 but we need to know numbers by this w/e latest, so contact Kevin 086 812 1478; Titch 086 222 6327 or Bren 087 251 8449 if you’re keen.
Update 20 November
A game v Cill Dara has been moved back to Dec 8th, so we’ll train early on Sunday to facilitate those going to Lansdowne. B v Ratoath still on at this stage. Check here early pm tomorrow for details re training, which is a bit fluid at the minute, tomorrow night.
Update 19 November
Well done to both our St Paul’s and Mt Temple crews who battled it out in a local derby yesterday – congrats especially to Vakho who got the man of the match award for the winning St Paul’s side. Along with the rest of the Metro group he fetched up in Malahide last night for Leinster training – and all involved acquitted themselves well. Matches this weekend for As v Cill Dara and Bs v Ratoath – given Irl v NZ these will be early kick offs so brace yourselves. Training as usual for all in club on Thurs, 6pm
Update 16 November
Matches tomorrow, both at home in St Paul’s: A squad please be there 10.45 for 11.30 kick off v Greystones; B squad be there 11.20 for 12.00 kick off. Squads same as last week except Billy to run with Bs and Conor Monks with As.
Update 14 November
Training tonight will be split: A group in Mt Temple hall 6pm; Bs on grass in Castle Avenue also 6pm. A squad: Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Grellan Murray, Rioghan McCarthy, Frankie O’Dea, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Adam Peat, Tom Finnegan, Darragh Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, James Gannon, Donal Ryan, Joe Murphy, Ruadhan Byron.
All other players in club for 6pm
Metro session on Monday is now in Malahide, on Monday 18th, 7pm
Matches this w/e, both at home: As v Greystones, Bs v Skerries.
Update 9 November
Well done to Bs last night for good second half performance especially against a strong Ashbourne side. They will have morning off tomorrow. The A squad are home v North Kildare, please be in St Paul’s 10.45 latest for 11.30 kick off. Squad: Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Grellan Murray, Rioghan McCarthy, Frankie O’Dea, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Adam Peat, Tom Finnegan, Darragh Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, James Gannon, Donal Ryan, Joe Murphy, Ruadhan Byron.
Update 7th November – No 2
Killer B’s v Ashbourne League Match in Ashbourne – Please meet @ 6.15 in Ashbourne RFC
K Morgan J Kidd B O’Brien M Quinn M O’Sullivan D O’Mahony R O’Murchadha J McGuire B Keane H O’Byrne A Hyland B Keane E Dillon E Kenny S Byrne C Monks Q Murray I Nolan R Lee R Coan B Dufficey
Directions : Http://www.ashbournerugby.ie/?page_id=761
Update 7th November – Training tonight Castle Avenue 6pm all squad Members.
Update 4th November
Killer B’s will Play Friday Night under lights in Ashbourne Kick Off 7pm – A bit early but the pitch is fully booked for later on……. more info to follow.
10 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v North Kildare; Bs away v Ashbourne
17 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v Greystones; Bs home to Skerries
24 Nov: LEAGUE – As away to Cill Dara; Bs away to Rathoath
1 Dec: LEAGUE – As home to Seapoint; Bs home to Malahide
Update 3 November
Great stuff from both squads over the last 24 hours – As played outstanding rugby, led brilliantly by Frankie, in woeful conditions against a big, strong Saracens team. Thanks to all those who came along to support. Bs followed up this morning with a hard fought win over Lansdowne, who beat us a few weeks ago, again with our 10 pulling the strings – this time Mark Sull. We’ll train as usual in club 6pm Thursday. Top effort all round!
Update 2 November
Killer B’s v Lansdowne League match St Pauls – Please meet @ 10.45 for 11.30 Kick Off
K Morgan J Kidd A Ryan B O’Brien M Quinn M O’Sullivan D O’Mahony S Byrne K Hickey C Monks Q Murray I Nolan R Lee R Coan L Grennan B Dufficey G Phelan R O’Murchadha G O’Kelly J Hobbs J McGuire B Keane C Guinan E Dillion P McKeown
We Still have a number of injuries but also some un-registrered Leinster Branch players that cannot be used in the league, I will contact you guys individually about registration.
Update 1 November
Well done to all those at Metro screening this morning – everyone did well. Next on list is Saracens tomorrow night, meet 6.30pm latest for 7.30pm kick off. Please make sure all gear is spotless. And a reminder re food, can each family bring something for post match social along usual lines. We won’t be playing Clane on Sunday but some of squad will need to feature for Bs v Lansdowne at home in St Paul’s (11.30 kick off) on Sunday morning.
Update 31 October
Note to parents of A squad for Sat night: usual drill re food please. If everyone brings along something we’ll be sorted. If you want to help with anything else that would be great, so please give Emer a shout on 086 106 0070.
Also, Metro players tomorrow – this will be a dragged-out affair so bring warm gear/wet gear plus snack and lots of water.
Update 29 October
Training for following players only, Thurs 31st, 10am in club – note time and venue. Squad: Adam Ryan, Mark O’Sullivan, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Grellan Murray, Dave Sanfey, Rioghan McCarthy, Frankie O’Dea, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Jordan Konzcak, Tom Finnegan, Darragh Bolger, Conor Monks, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, James Gannon, Donal Ryan, Joe Murphy, Cian Hynes, Oisin Kelly,
NB the following players should attend Metro screening session in Wanderers Ground on Merrion Road on Friday 9.30am. Drill is as follows: 9.30am registration, followed by screening (testing in tackle, pass, game sense etc) 10-12. Selected Group: Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Frankie O’Dea, Darragh Bolger, Vakho Badurashvili, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Donal Ryan, James Gannon
Update 26 October
Apols for late update – technical issues with page. Training in St Paul’s tomorrow 11.30. Please check site again tomorrow morning in case of change with weather etc. And note, clocks go back an hour!
Update 23 October
Training as usual in club tomorrow night, 6pm, weather permitting. We will name squad to play Saracens at that session. To fill the gaps caused by injuries and those who have other commitments we will welcome Jordan Konczak and Oisin Kelly from the ’98 squad. Plans for sessions next week will be finalised at session on Sunday morning in St Paul’s.
Update 19 October
Both matches replaced by training tomorrow, St Paul’s 11.30. Please see prev update re work on upstairs bar. Thanks
Update 16 October
Well done to A and B squads v Barnhall and Coolmine respectively last Sunday when both were short staffed. Parents please note that text messages re sick players, shortly before squads meet or depart, are simply disruptive – often for both teams, as happened last weekend. If a player is unfit then make the call early, or else just get on with it and play, so please consider the consequences for others before you cry off at the last minute.
Given the current weather we’re uncertain about tomorrow’s session but hopefully we’ll be ok as numbers have been excellent, despite the clash with schools’ stuff.
Also, the upstairs bar is currently being renovated (tonight, Thurs night, Fri night and during the day on Sat and Sun) on a voluntary basis. If you can spare an hour or two to help out on one of those days it be great. Thanks
Update 12 October
A Squad for Barnhall Sunday 13 October: (meet in Barnhall 10.40 latest for 11.30 kick off) Billy O’Brien, Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, Rioghan McCarthy, Conor Moore, Frankie O’Dea (capt), Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Conor Monks, Tom Finnegan, Vakho Badurashvili, Saran Byrne, Ciaran Kyne, Eoin Thompson, Ruadhan Byron, James Gannon, Joe Murphy, Adam Peat.
B-S – ALL OTHER PLAYERS PLEASE MEET IN ST PAULS 1045 FOR MATCH V COOLMINE.
Update 9 October
Well done to A and B squads v Skerries and Lansdowne last Sunday. Training as usual in club tomorrow night 6pm ahead of league games this weekend. As are away to Barnhall, Bs home to Coolmine. If you are unavailable for A group please let Bren (087 2518449) or Titch for Bs (086 222 6327) know as soon as poss.
Update 5 October
A Squad (away) v Skerries, meet St Paul’s 9.30 for 20 minute run thro before going to Skerries (for 11.15 kick off): Jack Crumlish, Dave Sanfey, Ben Holland, Rioghan McCarthy, Dec Adamson, James Gannon, Conor Moore, Frankie O’Dea, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Conor Monks, Saran Byrne, Tom Finnegan, Dara Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, Ruadhan Byron, Joe Murphy, Adam Peat
All other available players attend for B match v Lansdowne in St Paul’s. Meet 10.45 (for 11.30 kick off).
Update 3 Oct
Training tonight is off – Anyone lined up for gumshield fitting will be done as planned in club at 7pm.
NB, see change to league fixtures which have been brought forward by a week! Re Saracens on 2 November, we are already missing a few lads thro holidays/injuries for that fixture so please let us know asap if you are u/a for that game. As pointed out early season, this is a big game for us so please bear that in mind if you have to make a decision between it and something else
6 Oct: Friendlies – As away to Skerries; Bs home to Lansdowne
13 Oct: LEAGUE As away to Barnhall; Bs home to Coolmine
20 Oct: LEAGUE – As home v DLSP; Bs away v Ratoath
27 Oct: Training
1 Nov: Leinster Metro trial
2 Nov: As v Saracens, senior pitch under lights
3 Nov: LEAGUE – As away v Clane (Off); Bs v Lansdowne
10 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v North Kildare; Bs away v Ashbourne
17 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v Greystones; Bs home to Wanderers
24 Nov: LEAGUE – As away to Cill Dara; Bs
1 Dec: LEAGUE – As home to Seapoint; Bs
Update 30 Sept
Well done to B squad in Sutton yesterday, and commiserations to Josh O’Donoghue who is having an op on his broken arm. We hope to see him back soon.
Re gumshields, we need to get a handle on numbers so please text either Titch (086 222 6237) or Bren (087 2518449) if you want to be fitted for dental guard at training on Thursday. Fergus Dunlea is coming down specially to do this so please let us know asap if you want to be included.
6 Oct: Friendlies – As away to Skerries; Bs home to Lansdowne
13 Oct: Training
20 Oct: LEAGUE As away to Barnhall; Bs home to Coolmine
27 Oct: Training
1 Nov: Leinster Metro trial
2 Nov: As v Saracens, senior pitch under lights
3 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v DLSP (TBC); Bs away v Ratoath
10 Nov: LEAGUE – As away v Clane; Bs TBC
17 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v Terenure; Bs away with Malahide
24 Nov: LEAGUE – As home v Greystones; Bs home to Wanderers
1 Dec: LEAGUE – As away to Cill Dara; Bs away to Ashbourne
8 Dec: LEAGUE – As home to Seapoint; Bs home to Lansdowne
Update 27 Sept
Details for Sunday: B squad meet in Sutton 10.45 for 11.30 kick off. A squad train in St Paul’s 9.45. Note earlier time for A group. Session for As will end 11am.
NB IF YOU ARE ON EITHER LIST BELOW AND HAVE NOT REGISTERED YOU CAN NEITHER TRAIN NOR PLAY! (you can bring paperwork and payment on Sunday if still overdue)
B Squad: DJ O’Flaherty, Kev Morgan, Jack Hobbs, Emmet Kenny, Billy O’Brien, Brian Dufficy, Mark Quinn, Mark O’Sullivan, Dave O’Mahony, Gus O’Kelly; Conor Monks, Killian Hickey, Rian Lee, Saran Byrne, Eoin Dillon, Iain Nolan, Pearse McKeon, Quincy Murray, Oisin O’Connor, Cillian Guinan, Gav Phelan, Brian Keane, Andy Hyland, Jacob Maguire, Rory Coan, Conall Doyle, Michael McLean, Josh O’Donoghue
A Squad: Dylan Collum, Jack Crumlish, Dave Sanfey, Grellan Murray, Ben Holland, Rioghan McCarthy, Dec Adamson, James Gannon, Conor Moore, Frankie O’Dea, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Jack Walsh, Tom Finnegan, Dara Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Vakho Badurashvili, Ruadhan Byron, Donal Ryan, Adam Fleming, Joe Murphy
U/a: Ross Whelan, Jamie Kidd, Harry O’Byrne, Ben Arnold, Luke Grennan
Update 26 Sept
Training this evening in the club is OFF. Teams and training squads for Sunday will be posted tomorrow.
Update 25 Sept
NB: Gumshields – given that most players run around with gumshields behind their ears or hanging off their bottom lip we’re trying to get most lads to use dentally fitted ones – which might actually do the trick! To that end local hero Fergus Dunlea has kindly agreed to come down to training and do a job-lot of fittings. This will more than likely be done next Thursday 3 October. Cost depends on uptake but we’re hoping to keep it to €35 per gumshield.
Update 24 Sept:
Training as usual in club, 6pm. We still have a fair few registrations outstanding so can we get them sorted finally pre w/e please?
We hope to have B squad playing Suttonians Dev side in Sutton on Sunday; A squad will train ahead of playing Skerries on Sunday 6 October. League/Grading fixtures for A and B will begin 20 October.
Update 21 Sept
Training as usual 11.30 in St Paul’s in morning. Please make sure you bring registration paperwork etc with you. And lots of water – forecast is good!
Update 18 Sept
Apols for slow update. Well done to both squads in what were useful games v Sutton and Malahide at w/e. Re training tomorrow night, if you have school training please don’t feel the need to make two sessions in one day. Weather forecast for Sunday is good and we’ll need all hands on deck for prep for start of league for A and B squads the following w/e. NB: we are now being chased by club for registrations so please bring form and cheque to St Paul’s on Sunday morning where there will be somebody there to sort you out. In a nice way…
Update 13 Sept
NB: Proposed run thro tonight for A backs is OFF.
Note: All registrations for this season need to be sorted immediately please
Re Sunday games: forecast is poor so make sure you have suitable gear; and also please observe nutrional drill, info on which already supplied. Also note, parking in Sutton will be v busy – if you use station across the road then pay the 3 Euro or risk being clamped!
A Squad v Sutton on Sunday (away – meet Sutton 10.30 latest for 11.15 ko): Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Dec Adamson, James Gannon, Rioghan McCarthy, Dave Sanfey, Conor Moore, Frankie O’Dea (capt), Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; Jack Walsh, Tom Finnegan, Grellan Murray, Darragh Bolger, Eoin Thompson, Ciaran Kyne, Joe Murphy, Vakho Badurashvili, Ruadhan Byron, Adam Peat.
B Squad v Malahide also on Sunday (away, meet Malahide 11.15 latest for 12.oo kick off): DJ O’Flaherty, Jack Hobbs, Harry O’Byrne, Billy O’Brien, Mark Quinn, Brian Dufficy, Mark O’Sullivan, Emmet Kenny, Dave O’Mahony, Gus O’Kelly; Conor Monks, Brian Keane, Saran Byrne, Iain Nolan, Quincy Murray, Ross Whelan, Rory Coan, Jacob Maguire, Cillian Guinan, Oisin O’Connor, Gavin Phelan, Eoin Dillon
U/A: Rian Lee, Jamie Kidd, Ben Arnold, Donal Ryan, Andy Hyland, Josh O’Donoghue, Pearse McKeon, Adam Fleming, Dylan Collum
Update 11 Sept
Training tomorrow Thurs in club 6-7pm. We have two matches on Sunday, both away: As in Sutton against their 1998 Bs and our Bs in Malahide. As it stands we’re looking at circa 11.15 ko in Sutton and 12.oo in Malahide. We need full attendance to cover both games.
Update 6 Sept
Details for Seapoint Blitz on Sunday: Kick off first match is 1pm so we need to be there 12.15. Car parking will be a nightmare so please ring around and car pool. Those who are coming direct from GAA commitments just get there when you can. It’s vital that GAA lads treat the day as two separate events, so recover from Championship match with Choc milk and banana immediately after the game. Blitz lads need to prepare as per normal (ie the new normal!) so porridge or pasta plus protein 3 hours before start. Once we’re up and running everyone should snack thro the day to keep going – ideally Oatcakes with Nutella or peanut butter, and fruit. Loads of water please. Blitz events are very hard to manage at the best of times, so don’t complicate the issue by filling your face with fast food and then crashing.
Squad (26): (Backs) An Other, Jack Crumlish, Ben Holland, Mark Quinn, Dec Adamson, Grellan Murray, Harry O’Byrne, Conor Moore, Emmet Kenny, Frankie O’Dea, Mark O’Sullivan, Liam Fanning, Eoghan Doody; (Forwards) Conor Monks, Jack Walsh, Tom Finnegan, Dara Bolger, Saran Byrne, Eoin Thompson, Ross Whelan, Ciaran Kyne, Joe Murphy, Vakho Badurashvili, Ruadhan Byron, Adam Peat, Jacob Maguire.
For details see: http://www.seapointrugby.com/
Those not in the match day squad should train in St Paul’s at 11.30.
Update 5 Sept
Training in club tonight 6pm sharp – Gareth Rossi will do conditioning work again so please be ready to go asap. Squad for Seapoint Blitz on Sunday will be posted here tomorrow morning. Matches in Seapoint will start 1pm – we have 7 x 15 min games (v Barnhall, DLSP, Coolmine, Seapoint, Malahide, Sutton, Skerries) so there will be a heap of rotation in squad of 26 players. Scrums will be uncontested. We’ll advise later about best nutrition to get through that lot….
Update 29 August
Thanks to all for the great turnout last night on what was an informative presentation from Alan Kenny. We’ll follow up with more info soon. Training this evening in club at 6pm, and again on Sunday in St Paul’s 11.30. Seapoint tournament 8 September.
Update 26 August
Reminder: Talk on nutrition in club Wednesday night 7.30 with Alan Kenny. We need full attendance at this – player and parents – to get a good start on an issue that affects directly the way we perform. Please bring €5 per player/parent to cover costs. To get a handle on numbers we need responses from everyone, so let your coaches know by tomorrow evening (Tuesday). Thanks
Update 24 August
Sunday 11:30am Training St Paul’s.
Update 20 August
Wed 21st Core session with Lorraine at 5pm in club. No tip afterwards
Thurs 22nd: Training session in club, 6pm
Sun 25th: Training session, time and venue tbc. This will include work with Gareth Rossi on physical development.
Wed 28th: Nutrition Talk from Marcus Shortall. This is for parents and players – please confirm your attendance in advance to any of the coaches. This is important! There will be a small charge to cover our costs, details later.
Update 17 August
Full training resumes tomorrow morning 11.30 in St Paul’s. Please note time and venue. Please let any of the coaches know if you can’t make it. Session will be 90 minutes and will involve contact so make sure you have gumshield. Also, we need to start hydrating properly before training/playing, so get a litre of water down your neck before coming to session and bring another litre with you. We hope to set up talk on nutrition for all players (it works only if parents attend) in club next week and that will be confirmed as soon as poss.
Our first game will be an 8 club tournament in Seapoint on Sunday 8 September. It’s an afternoon gig and will run for a few hours at least. It’s worth reiterating that this season is the first point of contact with the Leinster pathway via their U15 Metro squad. The sooner we get up and running the better chance we’ll have of a good representation there. Welcome back!
Update 14 August
Core with Lorraine in club today 5pm followed by tip. Please bring mat and water. Full sessions will restart this Sunday 11.30am, venue to be confirmed.
Update 10 August
Tip and Skills tomorrow Sunday 10.30am in club. Note earlier time for those going to Croker. To get most out of handling drills we need one ball per player, so presuming you all have rugby balls at home with which you practice on a regular basis, bring one of them along!